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thank you for joining us. it is the top of the hour. i'm don lemon at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. here's what's happening at this hour. we're going to begin with politics and a vote of confidence for the obama administration from an unlikely source. ever since former vice president dick cheney left office in 2009, he rarely had anything nice to say about the current white house. but on cnn's state of the union with candy crowley, cheney backed president obama's decision to kill radical cleric anwar al awlaki in yemen, yet the praise was not without qualifications. >> reporter: no weekend qualms about a u.s. drone strike into yem yemen. >> i think the president ought to have the authority to order that kind of strike, even when it involves an american citizen, there's clear evidence that he's part of al qaeda, planning, cooperating, and supporting attacks against the united states. >> reporter: okay by the former head of the cia. >> we are a nation at war.
and have a right to kill or capture enemy combatants trumps the fact that one or another of those combatants might have u.s. personhood wrapped around them. >> reporter: and the former ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee is in too, but she wants the administration to be transparent about its legal justification for killing an american without due process. >> i believe there is a good case. imminent threat beyond our ability to arrest him, the authorization to use military force against al qaeda. he was explicit with al qaeda. but i think the justice department should release that memo. >> reporter: in fact, two americans were killed in the u.s. attack. the target, anwar al awlaki, a master recruiter linked to several plots against the u.s., including the ft. hood shootings, and an al qaeda propagandist. something eats that the dick cheney, something president obama said in cairo in divine about the u.s. reaction to the
9/11 attacks. >> the fear and anger that it provoked was understandable. but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our traditions and our ideals. we are taking concrete actions to change course. i have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the united states. >> reporter: cheney says now that the obama administration, trying to protect the country, approved the killing of an american citizen, the president should rethink his suggestion that the bush administration's tactics were un-american. >> they, in effect, said that we had walked away from our ideals or taken policy contrary to our ideals when we had enhanced interrogation techniques. now, they clearly have moved in the direction of taking robust action when they feel it's justified. >> you'd like an apology, it sounds like. >> well, i would. i think it would be not for me, but i think for the bush administration. >> reporter: still, the larger picture is worth noting again. asked if the obama administration is asking a
successful war against terror, cheney says yes. candy crowley, cnn, washington. >> the cia, not surprisingly, is defending the strike that took out al awlaki. director leon panetta says al awlaki's actions outweighed any qualms about his american citizenship. here's panetta talking exclusively with cnn's newest anchor, host of "out front," erin burnett. >> this individual was clearly a terrorist, and yes, he was a citizen, but if you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. and that means that we have the ability to go after those who would threaten to attack the united states and kill americans. there's no question that the authority and the ability to go after a terrorist is there. >> and you can see the rest of erin's exclusive interview with leon panetta monday night when her new show "out front" premieres at 7:00 p.m. eastern
here on cnn. the state department has issued a worldwide travel alert for americans living or traveling abroad. it warns that followers of the al qaeda figures killed on friday could stage revenge attacks. you can read the entire warning on the state department's website. a former cia contractor who recently spent time in jail in pakistan has now been arrested in colorado. witnesses say raymond davis fought with another man over a shopping center parking spot saturday. davis is charged with killing two men while working in pakistan for the cia in january. he was released in march, after compensation was paid to their families. davis claimed he killed the men in self-definitely. amanda knox could learn her fate on monday. her 2005 murder conviction could be overturned, making the 24-year-old american a free woman, or it may be upheld, leaving her facing a quarter century behind bars in italy. cnn's senior international correspondent, matthew chance, has more on judgment day for knox and her attempt to sway the court.
>> reporter: well, this is likely to be the speech of amanda knox's life. for about 15 minutes, the 24-year-old from seattle will be able to stand up in this italian court in perugia and make an appeal to, in her own words, to the judge and the jury, to overturn her murder conviction and to set her free. knox's parents who are here in perugia tell us that their daughter has been working on what she's going to say for months. she's, of course, learned to speak italian fluently in her four years in prison here, so it's likely she'll make the address in the local language. her former boyfriend, raffaele sollecito, also convicted in the 2007 murder of british exchange student meredith kercher, during what prosecutors said was a drug-filled sex game gone wrong, will also have the opportunity to speak, although it's not clear that he will. shortly afterwards, the jury will retire to consider all of the evidence in this case, returning with their decision, we expect, on monday night, local time. obviously, a great deal of
anticipation here and around the world, as we await the outcome of what has been one of the most lurid, scandalous, and closely watched murder cases of recent years. matthew chance, cnn, perugia. >> all right. matthew, thank you. the traditional catholic red mass today drew six supreme court justices along with several washington power brokers. the church service is held every year before the opening of the supreme court's term. it's called the red mass because of the color of the robes worn by clergy. this year's term for the high court won't lack for drama. athena jones runs down the cases that are likely to make headlines. >> reporter: don, it's shaping up to be a busy term for the supreme court, with decisions expected on several big and politically important issues. monday kicks off a new term for the supreme court, and health care tops the list of big issues the nine justices could take on. the obama administration has asked the nation's highest court to rule on the constitutionality
of the patient protection and affordable care act, the health care overhaul signed into law last year. lawsuits brought by 28 states and dozens of individuals and groups have challenged the federal government's right to require people to purchase health insurance, the key provision in the law. analysts say the court will almost certainly address this hot-button issue this term, with a decision coming just months before the presidential election. >> the law, itself, is obviously, really important, whether you like it or not. it has tremendous consequences for president obama's re-election, because it's a signature achievement. >> the politics of health care aside, this is the central issue. this could change the way the government and the people interact, you know, going forward in our country. >> reporter: among cases already on the court's docket, an electronic surveillance case that asks whether police can attach a gps tracker to a suspect's car without a warrant. the central question, do motorists have any right to privacy on public roads?
another about whether prisons can subject people arrested even for minor offenses to suspicion list strip searches. and a case about whether the federal communications commission's indecency rules violates free speech rights. >> it seems inevitable this time that they'll have to decide what the free speech rights are to put profanity and some nudity on the air. >> reporter: other politically charged issues that could come up include immigration, gay marriage, affirmative action, and abortion. >> the supreme court term so far is shaping up to be pretty interesting, but it could become absolutely explosive and enthralling. it could be the most interesting one in a century. >> reporter: there's one more important point i want to reiterate here, don. that's that the supreme court only takes on one out of ten cases it's petitioned to review. still nearly every legal analyst you talk to says the court will have to wade into the health care debate, it's going to be an
interesting term. back to you, don. >> thank you, athena. he's accused of taking the life of pop star michael jackson with a lethal dose of drugs. ahead, we'll look at what to expect at the high-profile trial of dr. conrad murray in week two. also, growing anger in afghanistan over perceived melding in its internal affairs by its neighbor. a report from kabul is next. pain relief that works at the site of pain... up to 12 hours. salonpas.
from kabul. >> reporter: the karzai administration very direct in their accusations, coming forward today and saying they believe the suicide bomber who killed top afghan peace negotiator was a pakistani national. the assassination was planned in the southern town of qatar. pakistan very quick to refute this, saying they have absolutely no truck with these allegations at all. but this really raising tension between these two neighbors. just literally the day after prm karzai came forward and quite provo provoketively said he didn't see the point in negotiating with afghanistan anymore, really inferring it's pakistan who's assisting, running, and harboring much of the insurgency here inside afghanistan. really, today's comments escalating that tension. many unsure, really, if it can
get out of hand between pakistan and afghanistan, given how much these countries have to deal with in terms of domestic encoura insurgency of their own. and also, america certainly fuelling this themselves blaming pakistan for assisting the insurgency here in afghanistan, and that surely must be behind these recent outbursts from the karzai administration here. nick paton walsh, cnn, kabul. >> all right. nick. when we come right back, we'll take a look at the high-profile trial of dr. conrad murray. he's accused of killing michael jackson with a lethal dose of the drug propofol. i know pleasing fans is a top priority, 'cause without the fans, there'd be no nascar. just like if it weren't for customers, there'd be no nationwide. that's why they serve their customers' needs, not shareholder profits. because as a mutual, nationwide doesn't report to wall street, they report to their customers. and that's just one more reason why the earnhardt family
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in los angeles, testimony resumes on monday in the involuntary manslaughter trial of dr. conrad murray. he was with michael jackson when he died and has been blamed for the pop singer's death. criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor and legal analyst holly hughes here with a look at what's ahead. so holly, more than a dozen witnesses in the first week. it was amazing, it was amazing to sit there and watch close up. and i actually think the
testimony of what's going on in court is very interesting. what can we expect tomorrow? >> i think we're going to see more of the same. we're going to see the prosecution put their case up chronologically, in the way it happened. they started out with the backstory, as we like to call it. what happened leading up to his death? what kind of health was he in? what was the relationship between dr. murray and himself? how did he interact? then we get to that terrible day, the point of death. we hear from the paramedics who were there, everybody that was on scene, we heard from the personal chef and all those. we're going to go the forward now. we're going to talk to everybody who was in the er that had anything to do with michael's treatment and anybody at that hospital who might have heard something dr. murray said. >> all right. let's talk here. i'm sitting there and every day, i've seen almost all of the testimony in person. i'm going to ask you this and then we'll talk. how do you think the prosecution's doing so far? >> they're doing a great job so far, but they should be, don. remember, this is what we call their case in chief. if they weren't knocking it out of the park right now, they
shouldn't have brought these charges. >> the defense is going to get their turn soon. but the prosecution, i have to say, when they started, it was like a hollywood setup. everything, the video, the audio, everything they did was, it's like, i wonder who produced this for them. >> let me tell you something, don. a trial is a show. and the most important audience is the folks sitting in the jury box. those are the people you're -- you want it to go smooth. you want them to not just be confident in your performance, as it were, but if they trust you and they think you're together in the way you present, they'll trust your witnesses and they'll trust your evidence. >> the prosecution, it's almost matter of fact. they ask everything. what kind of medication did you observe? when he went to the doctor, do this. straightforward questions, straightforward questions. and i think of ed chernoff almost as a matlock type. >> what the prosecution is doing, he's making a mountain. they're piling up all those things that they hope will prove guilt. what ed chernoff is doing and
even flanagan, he's mining that mountain for nuggets. little things that when you hear them, you don't think they're a big deal, but when he weaves all those things together in the closing argument, you're going to go, ah, i never thought of it like that. that's what he's doing. >> if you mess up some word during your testimony or pretrial, it takes it all -- so here's the thing. he's trying to knock down the timeline. you could not do that in this amount of time and get up to that bedroom and be on the phone with emir -- you couldn't do th that. he was doing that with alvarez. so how do you think the defense is doing? there's been some back and forth between ed chernoff and the judge. they've been butting heads. >> but it looks like the judge is beating up on the defense, like he's taking sides. a jury is going to buck against that. a judge is supposed to be neutral. and it does look like he's getting beat up, but ed chernoff
can take it. you know what he does, he doesn't blink, yes, your honor, moves right on and gets what he needs. >> you said little things, you wrote an article, what was it called? >> it's called "the state of the case," it's everything we've seen so far and how i think each side is doing. it's up on my facebook page. >> something i noticed that people at home didn't notice, we were talking about the nation of islam, ed chernoff keeps trying to bring that up and the prosecution keeps saying, objection, and then the judge sustains it. what they're trying to say is that the nation of islam was involved in michael jackson's security and that in some way, maybe they had a way to cover up or to set up -- that's what -- not that any of that's true, but reasonable doubt. little things like that you don't see at home. you see the family reacting to it like, oh, here he goes again. emir, are you referred to as brother emir? what does that mean. >> that's exactly right. then you take all those little nuggets that you had mined, you weave them into this fantastic closing argument, and you say, this is a conspiracy. they are hanging this man out to
dry, because something much more powerful is at play here. >> because they had their own interests at heart. >> absolutely! >> it's going to be so much -- people at home are going to go, what the heck?! but when you're sitting there in that courtroom, you notice all the little things, all the body language. and i have to say, what i have been saying all along is not to say anything about conrad murray's guilt or innocence, but can you imagine a family having to sit through that and listen to that audiotape and see their loved one up on the gurney. my heart went out to the mother. >> by the time we go to the trial, it's always so cold and clinical. we don't have a crime scene or the blood. what the prosecution is doing is painting the picture. a lot of people were upset about showing michael in that bed. you have to. it's their burden to prove that he has passed away and they're bringing it home for that jury, making it feel it. >> the family's there every day and sitting right in front of that jury and they want the jury to see them. thank you so much, holly hughes. when we come right back, an anesthesiologist shows me how the drug at the center of this
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prosecutors say dr. conrad murray caused the death of pop star michael jackson by giving him the surgical drug propofol as a sleep aid. i spoke to an anesthesiologist who gives us an illustration right outside the courthouse of how the drug should be administered. this is the kind of setup that conrad murray is accused of
having in michael jackson's bedroom. and dr. barry friedberg is an anesthesiologist, joining us now to tell us. okay, so what is this? this is an iv. >> this is an iv bag, and this is a propofol infusion bag. and down here, you see the pulse oximeter, and that's the sensor for the pulse oximeter. >> so we've heard them talking about all of these things. and by the way, this is actually, this is a doctor's, that is actually propofol -- >> also called diprivan. >> that is the white, cloudy thing. it looks just like milk. >> milk. >> and you can show them what it looks like. >> there we go. okay. and you said by ingesting this, which the defense is saying that michael jackson ingested that, if you took that or ingested that, what would happen? >> nothing, because the liver destroys 90% of the drug that's in your stomach before it ever getting to your brain.
>> okay. so the prosecutors have said, if the doctor had some of these things -- they're saying some of the stuff he didn't have, that would have helped to save him, like what? >> well, the ambu bag, but the problem is, he had to be in the room to use it. you had to be listening to the pulse oximeter to intervene. >> what's this do? >> it squirts air into the patient's lung. it's a manual ventilator. >> and this pulse oximeter is attached to a --? >> a fingertip. it's an infrared sensor and gives you not only the heartbeat, but gives you how much oxygen is in the patient's body and the tone changes when it goes down. so as long as someone can hear the tone, they can intervene. >> but they're saying that his didn't have an audible alert or something? >> well, they're saying he was out of the room, and they couldn't hear it. well, that's essentially not having. >> okay. so that goes -- and you can hear it beeping. >> right. hold your finger still and it will catch the sensor.
hear it? >> yeah, i hear it. and this does? >> this is a brain activity monitor and this measures the effect of the propofol in the brain. this is way beyond conrad murray's skill level, but this is the definitive way of giving propofol, so that you give goldilocks anesthesia. >> and that's in your estimation, right? >> yes. >> and this would be? >> this is a syringe with a needle that you could use to inject a port intravenous to give some medicine. this is a smaller syringe that would allow conrad murray to give the 25 milligrams of propofol that he claimed. >> so he had 25 milligrams -- >> that would be 2 1/2 ccs. >> and you would put that into there and have it drip? >> right. >> is this usually something that you have in someone's home? >> no, absolutely not. >> this is something that you administer when you're -- >> in an office space setting for elective cosmetic surgery, in a surgery center, in a hospital, but nobody would give
propofol without being able to hear and see the pulse oximeter. >> how often do you use these? >> every day. every single day. every day i work. >> thank you very much. thank you for showing us. again, there it is. this is what we've heard so much about and learned so much about. we've heard propofol, and in the beginning, when michael jackson died two years ago, we heard diprivan as well. but this is that milky substance that everyone talks about, and this is behind what prosecutors are saying they believe killed michael jackson. dr. friedberg's book, "getting over, going under," five things you must know before anesthesia includes a michael jackson chapter. police arrest hundreds of people, protesting what they are calling greed and corruption on wall street. that and more, top stories next. t are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs.
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all right. let's get you caught up on the headlines now. the occupy wall street protests have begun in lower manhattan two weeks ago has now spread to other american cities. among them are denver, albuquerque, and seattle. and despite the lack of leadership or coherent message, the protests, well, they just keep going, day after day. the primary message is a general discontent with the u.s.
financial system, which many protesters say favors the rich over the poor. the national parks service has halted work, assessing earthquake damage to the washington monument. you're looking at a live picture right now. the national parks service is waiting for high winds to subside after a gust friday blew eric sohn about 30 feet while he was hanging from a rope at the top of the monument. well, sohn is part of the engineering team evaluating the building. he's fine, but the parks service says it will be monday at the earliest before teams can work again. amazing. the quake hit the monument on august 23rd, of course. the death toll is climbing for a listeria outbreak triggered by contaminated cantaloupes. as many as 17 people have died and 84 people in 19 states have gotten sick. the melons are from a colorado-based jensen farms. the cdc says there could be more people affected since there is a lag time between eating the bad cantaloupes and becoming ill.
and the freedom of john hinckley jr., who tried to kill president ronald reagan in 1981 is back on the front burner. the government mental hospital where hinkley has spent much of the last 30 years is asking a federal court to let him go live near or with his aging mother in virginia. he was found not guilty by reason of insanity in 1982. the only black republican candidate for president is taking on the man many consider the leading candidate, all over a word. "the washington post" is reporting today that texas governor rick perry once leased a hunting camp that had the word nigger painted on a rock at its entrance, it was niggerhead, the name of that camp. "the post" reports that the word was not removed for years while perry visited the place. perry says that is inaccurate, but herman cain says he showed a
lack of sensitivity for not removing the the world soon. now goldie taylor joins me. this is very interesting. so you can say that cain is taking stand against perry on the "n" word. it's a negative for cain. why do you say that? explain. >> at the end of the day -- >> a negative for cain? >> when you're in a gop primary, that is not the place to talk about biases of any kind. if you are the candidate that the people are using to assuage any guilt or any conversation they would not want to have about race, far be it from you to launch an attack on somebody you think is racist. >> so as an african-american ka candidate, he can't talk about the race the same way mitt romney can't talk about mormonism. >> or even really respond to it. so herman cain is really in a tight corner here. how does he not react to something, you know, so vile, so despicable, and how does he
react in a way that doesn't offend the gop base? you know, today the gop is largely controlled, you know, by southern white males. the last thing they want to talk about is race in america. >> so he has to be careful. all right. cain has been in the thick of it this week. he took a lot of heat about a statement he made on cnn. take a listen. >> many african-americans have been brainwashed into not being open-minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. i have received some of that same vitriol simply because i am running for the republican nomination as a conservative. so it's just brainwashing and people not being open-minded, pure and simple. >> all right. and that set off another guest, cornell belcher, a political analyst for cnn. >> if i came on your show, anderson, and i said, all jews, jewish people are brainwashed, i probably wouldn't be invited back to cnn. what herman cain said was a racist, bigoted statement, and it should be treated like a racist and bigoted person who
makes racist and bigoted statements. >> all right. what's your take on cain's brainwashing comment? is it racist? >> i think, if anything -- he's not racist, but he's out of touch. this has less to do with african-americans being so-called brainwashed as it does with generational party alignment. back in the late '60s when the civil rights act was passed, it was done by a democratic president. african-americans and others have routinely rewarded people in the white house and the party who with they see as advancing their gains. so that's what happened in the '60s. and nixon came along with the southern strategy, and that solidified dixiecrats. >> i haven't heard that in a long time. >> and what did republicans do? they doubled down on the southern strategy. it was successful for them and this. they have gained governorships, they have gained state houses, they have gained u.s. senate seats and congressional seats. it's been a real winner for them. so why backtrack now. >> and on this topic, you have been observing a trend that's
happening online right now, and it links cain with uncle ruckus from the boondocks. explain this. >> i've seen this an awful lot. i've seen it in the public and on social networks. i'm very familiar with the boondocks cartoon. this particularly instance is as deplorable as the niggerhead comment being painted on a rock in front of perry's club. but cain is seen like the grand accommodator, much like booker t. washington was seen like that at the turn of the century. so to see people who would not see the advancement or african-americans or participate in the advancement of african-americans is a very bad thing for him. and for him to come out and say that i, herman cain, because i am black, i gain 30% of the african-american vote is outright fantasticical.
>> i asked him about race when i saw him at the iowa straw poll, and got a lot of comments, i can't believe you asked him about race, he's a black man. >> herman cain has talked more about race than anybody. >> thank you. and we talked about african-americans and african-american leaders criticizing the president. i was in l.a. for the trial of michael jackson. the first thing joe jackson said to me is like, why are you getting on president obama? why are you going after president obama? i said, i'm a reporter, i'm not an advocate, i'm just doing the report. what the does that say? does that prove the point that it's difficult to criticize an african-american president? >> we are the kind of people who will circle the wagons no matter what the criticism is, whether it's valid or not valid, and you'll see a lot more of that play out as this election wears on. >> it's amazing. just amazing to me, because people, i think, forget that we are not advocates, we are journalists and we have to report on the news. thank you so much, goldie. always a great conversation.
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a fight over a longer school day has chicago mayor rahm emanuel at odds with the teachers union. emanuel wants to lengthen the school days, which are among the shortest in the country, at under six hours. talks between the school system and teachers union broke down this month. but six elementary schools have going to 7 1/2-hour days and they'll get $150,000 and a 2% raise for teachers. our education contributor, steve perry, has more on the squabble. >> reporter: chicago's schools as a city are performing just as poorly as many of the others and worse than quite a few. and many chicagoans are pretty upset about that. so i believe chicago rahm emanuel is on the right track. he says, i want the best teachers in and i don't want to be hamstringed by a union. he tried to sit down with the union saying, what can we do? we're all in this together. you guys have been in charge of the situation for generations now. what can we do differently?
they, as they typically do, folded their arms and said, we're doing what we've been doing. we're not going to give an inch. so they were put on the sidelines. one of the most exciting things about what mayor rahm emanuel is doing is he's saying, listen, i'm going to forego the leadership in the union, because i believe that they're too entrenched in maintaining themselves, and i'm going to bring the message straight to the people. and what we find is that there's a current generational gap of new teachers. a group of young people who want to be able to prove themselves. and they believe that their performance should be determinant of their job securi security. the mayor is proposing exactly that. what the mayor is saying, listening with i will give you the highest possible salary i can, but i'm going to expect you to perform to receive it. i mean, what a novel concept. >> education secretary arne duncan, who once headed chicago schools, has called the city's short school a day disgrace. straight ahead, my conversation with the author of a new book that paints a new
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of golf rankings. well, this ends his streak of 778 consecutive weeks in the top 50. woods hasn't won a tournament in two years while battling personal problems and injuries. he is known as sweetness. one of the greatest football players ever to play the game. an icon in chicago long before michael jordan came to town, but there was another side to hall of famer walter payton that was carefully hidden from the public. a side that jeff pearlman spent 2 1/2 years uncovering for his new book, "sweetness: the enigmatic life of walter payton." i talked to pearlman earlier and asked, what was his biggest surprise researching the book. >> i would say, once i started getting to understand him and know him, i mean, being honest, it was, you know, sort of after his career ended, you know, he retired and he was really looking for meaning in his life. and he was looking for something to do, like a lot of former athletes. and he became the front man in an effort to bring an nfl
expansion franchise to st. louis. and he spent basically 2 1/2, 3 years working on this effort, putting everything into this effort. he wanted to become the first minority owner in the nfl, and it completely fell through. and when that happened, and it wasn't his fault at all, he got extremely depressed, extremely despondent. started really questioning his purpose in life. and there's this sort of image of walter payton that's been known for years as this happy-go-lucky, gregarious guy, and lo and behold, he was a human being who had the same kind of emotions and heartbreak that we all have. and i always pictured him as this incredibly happy and upbeat guy, and to hear that he was a human being who hurt and had these feelings and was really crushed after this happened to him, but it was kind of remarkable for me. >> i want to ask you, because he's been gone now for 12 years. did you find people still trying to protect his image, because you highlight some of his shortcomings in the book. you talk about his womanizing, his out of wedlock son, his
depression, suicide, abuse of pain medications -- he talked about suicide, and all of that. you talk about those things. so i'm wondering, are people still trying to protect him, even 12 years after his death? >> well, i mean, from the reaction in chicago, i would have to say, yes. it's been pretty -- as "sports illustrated" ran an excerpt pertaining to his years after retirement and people are very, very taken aback by it. and i understand it on the one hand, i really do. because he was a beloved figure and there was a sort of image of walter payton that's been cultivated, and he's almost a myth in his greatness across the board. i come from the sort of perspective of why is it wrong to learn that our heroes or the people we idolize are humans with shortcomings, with failings, with faults. you know, he wasn't -- i would not say he was a womanizer in the context, he was separated from his wife for the last ten years of his life. and when people say he was a drug addict, you know, that term has been used in a lot of headlines, and i understand it, but the truth of the matter is
if you poll former nfl players especially from that era, especially a guy who played 13 years and missed one game in 13 years, how many of those guys need painkillers to get through a day, you'd find an enormous percentage. some of the negatives i think have been hyped up a little bit. i understand the protection because the guy was so beloved and rightfully so. >> compare this, too, then writing biographies about barry bonds, roger clemens. how did this book compare? >> it's totally different. when i wrote the barry bonds biography years ago, i was begging for people. i mean, begging for someone to tell me a positive story about barry bonds. >> wow. >> it was like looking for a nugget of gold in a toilet. you can't find it. it was so hard. walter payton was this amazing man. i understand why people are so protective because he was amazing. his goodness was incredible. >> there's one incident that jumps out to everyone in the book. it occurred at his hall of fame introduction. tell us about it. >> well, when he was -- you know, hall of fame, of course,
is the biggest moment in a football player's life. walter payton was miserable. it was four days of misery. he had his wife connie, who he'd been married to for a long time but was separated from at this time, was in the first row of the induction. and his -- his girlfriend was in the second row. and, you know, connie had known about the girlfriend. but there was this real tension in walter for the entire time. he kept worrying are they going to meet? are they going to meet? are they going to meet? they actually did finally meet at the end later on. it wasn't actually nearly the big deal walter payton thought it would be primarily because he wasn't with his wife. wasn't living with his wife at that point. but it kind of ruined his four days, these four, amazing great days of your football life. >> the book is called "sweetness." thank you. the pictures are amazing. if alone just for the pictures. thank you very much, jeff pearlman, for coming on. all right. up next, say it ain't so. say it ain't so. there are rumors that my
iphones, that's right, i said iphones, maybe be going out of date. our tech expert katie linendahl will explain. last night i received a honor near and dear to my heart. something i thought would never happen. i'll share the details straight ahead. [ dog barks ] [ birds chirping ] ♪ [ mechanical breathing ] [ engine turns over ] ♪ [ male announcer ] the all-new volkswagen passat. a new force in the midsize category. ♪
if the rumors are true, it looks like my iphones are about to be obsolete again. take a look at the invite apple sent out last week. a not so subtle hint the company is ready to announce the iphone 5 on tuesday. katie linendahl will be at the headquarters when it happens. no one can keep a secret like apple. why does this brand get so much hype before a launch? >> yeah. no one can conjure up quite the tech hype and, of course, the rumor mill like the apple brand. from a consumer perspective it's seeing what they come out with next and it's so innovative. also when you're on top everybody's gunning for you. this event tuesday, it's going to be a little different than others. first off, let's talk about the hardware. we're talking about those iphones. but it's looking like there not only will be an iphone 5 wu many
are also pointing to an iphone 4s. a litle bit of upgrades that will be available. we talk about the buzz and speculation. even al gore was in on this. two weeks ago he was giving a speech. a lot of people don't realize he sits on the apple board. he said how about next month, those iphones coming out in october. everybody was like, oh, my gosh, maybe it is two iphones. also on the hardware side, nobody's really talking a lot about ipods. typically every september they do a refresh on the ipod line. something we could also be looking for. also notably let's remember, this is going to be the first presentation that tim cook, who has taken over for steve jobs, will be solely running. >> that's what i wanted to ask about. my ipod is from 1984. it looks like a boom box. everybody laughs that i haven't updated it. so it appears the new ceo, tim cook, he's going to do it. i'm wondering how he's going to do after taking over for steve jobs and how much will the switch at the top affect the brand. also, a lot of questions in this one question. any chance that jobs might
appear at this event? >> it's a good question. i think if we see steve jobs on stage, it's going to be incredibly minimal. i also think it's going to be a symbolic passing of the torch. perhaps something as little as a video message. apple needs to make it very clear at this event tim cook is steering the ship and they are confident in his abilities. we talk about what this could mean to the apple brand, having tim cook take over. i think in the short term, i mean one to two years, the apple brand is fine. they've been working on products since jobs has put them in a good place. when we talk about long-term brand extension for apple, we have to understand that jobs, this is his baby. apple is steve jobs. he founded this in '76. to have that visionary and that icon behind a brand and to have that gone, there's a lot of questions and a lot of challenges that apple faces. >> so you ask, and i know you ask, mr. lemon, why do you have two iphones? i had a blackberry and an iphone. i went on vacation. i dropped the blackberry in the ocean. the company bought me an iphone. therefore i have two iphones.
iphone is my personal phone. it was cheaper to get an iphone than another blackberry. what i miss about the blackberry is messenger. blackberry messenger. what new features can we expect? is there a messengerlike feature that i miss so much on the new iphone? >> yes. let's talk about the features. these are, of course, all speculation. but a number of things that we can actually predict heading into iphone 5 or iphone 4s, what have you, that bigger screen. i'll get to your messaging. bigger screen. also better camera. these are things that android devices already have. eight megapixel 10 adp in terms of video recording. something the iphone actually needs. also the new advanced voice recognition feature. if you could e-mail or text somebody just using your voice, how cool would that be? that is looking like likely speculation. also sprint carrying an up limited data version. that will probably be there. but in terms of your messaging, remember that with these rumors coming out, with these features that will be upgraded, we also are going to see ios 5. their next operating system.
something very cool about that is imessage, which works a lot like blackberry messenger. you can see when somebody is texting you. you can see if they've read it, when somebody's writing back. you'll be in good hands. do not freak out. >> i won't freak out. ten seconds left. when do we expect retail? >> oh, so we're seeing people -- apple has been telling their employees they cannot go on vacation october 9th to the 12th and the 14th to the 15th. so about a week. >> awesome. thank you katie linendoll. appreciate it. finally tonight, i want to thank glaad for an award i never thought i'd even win for something i never thought i'd talk about publicly. the atlanta chapter of glaaad honored me for outstanding of the year. be who you are. walk in your own truth. i am deeply humbled by the honor and i want to say thank you very much, gla